I think AIRS has potential, but there are some real issues with how it’s currently being handled. One of my inventions was banned, and I still have no idea what the invention really was or why. I wasn’t even sure if it was a public or private invention, and there was no feedback provided to help me understand the violation.
I submitted an appeal over a week ago and haven’t heard anything back. For a system that can directly impact creators’ work, there really needs to be more transparency and a faster, clearer response process. Otherwise, it becomes very difficult to trust or engage with the system in a meaningful way.
Follow up.
Yet another one of my unpublished inventions was banned today again, without any feedback to help me improve or understand what went wrong. When I reached out through a support ticket, I received the same vague response: that it was removed for either theft or violating the CCOC. It feels like even the support team doesn’t truly know the reason and simply trusts the system to be correct all the time.
If a system like this is going to be used, it needs to actually work. Right now, from my perspective, it flags stuff that don’t break any rules. I also don’t think it’s fair or right for the system to look at any players unpublished or private content. It’s called unpublished or private for a reason
AIRS should ONLY review inventions that are public, not private. It happened to me twice and it closed my dorm which took me weeks to make. Creating a ticket is pointless which they don’t even let you have your room back. Even if the invention violates the COC or CCOC, the invention should automatically be removed from the room. Not closing the entire room which someone could’ve took weeks to make. Letting AI doing your work is the biggest mistake.
I can understand the idea this system proposes, but the way they’re doing so is honestly chilling to me. Now, first, I would like to say: having published saves and inventions moderated, absolutely, yeah! But from what I heard Rec Room is doing it to unpublished or unlisted rooms and inventions too? How does that help keep it a safe space more than already so? People can’t just stumble upon a person’s private rooms or inventions, and if a person does bring those out in a public room, anybody can easily report them for doing so.
It’s just such a massive overstep to go after unpublished or unlisted content, it’s not hurting anybody if somebody decided to make an invention as a joke that they put in a personal room they share with some of their close friends, or if they make something that represents some of their identity or interests that they keep to themselves. Key point here - they make something that they keep to themselves.
Many people can understand that some things are best kept to oneself, and they do so by keeping it private and only using it with people they know are okay with it, making sure that safe space is still contained. I say this knowing that some people do not have the type of understanding to not bring certain content up as I’ve interacted with a few individuals who do not; however, I also know people can very well report and move rooms and never have to deal with that person again, and with all hope the moderation team can deal with that person causing actual problems.
All I’m saying is I feel like how Rec Room is going about it is in a way that is most likely to affect people who are not causing problems to the safe space to begin with.
If I were to maybe suggest something, if an invention is flagged, it would be better to have it so perhaps you can no longer spawn that invention in public rooms, and if a room contained that invention, have it so that the room cannot be published until it has been appealed or no longer contains that invention.
It’s always good to dig for technological advancements in moderation. However–as @BushOfficial stated–having an artificial intelligence doing all the handy-work for you isn’t exactly the freshest apple in the bunch.
I will not downplay the trust & safety teams plans for AI; and I will express my excitement for what is to come with it. However, just tune it down until you are 100% sure that it won’t push the majority’s buttons. <3
I think overall this is a great system, except for the system going after private/unpublished inventions. I’m split 50/50 on this to be completely honest. Sure, you really shouldn’t have bad things in the first place. But (almost) anyone that’s been playing for many years has made one or two stupid things that they shouldn’t have. I’m not afraid to admit that I’ve made dumb stuff I shouldn’t have when I was like 13, 5 years ago. I’m human and was very stupid at the time like most kids are .
But it really sucks to log on and see a massive warning like you got banned, sometimes more than once, for something you did so long ago you can’t even remember. Are additional warnings delayed?? I got my first warning and immediately was like “wait… what…??” and made sure to clean out my entire inventions, then got another warning a day or two later.
It sucks knowing that even if you’re a “changed player” you’re still able to be punished, automatically, for inventions made before most the player base was even born…
Most of my rooms got taken down cause of this. The inventions IN said rooms is stuff I wasn’t aware was in or even there to begin with! (my friends put random stuff in them) I just want my workroom
Request: could you make it so the ban is applied until 14 days after the invention reported is made because sometimes you can get banned for inventions that you randomly made for no reason a month ago (like I did, and I haven’t made another since) so can it go off how many times you’ve done it (like a 3 strike rule, but if you have 3 inventions that are reported as positive, it then restricts your invention creation until the latest inappropriate invention was saved/updated)
Also, for every one flagged, just add a day to the total time if you do this so people who are reported for an old inappropriate invention is banned from making inventions for a day (please choose 1 or 3 added days)
In other words, invention bans could only last until 14 days since the invention was created/updated and an additional 1 (or 3) days from when the user’s permissions are restricted
But you could also just make it so they just can’t PUBLISH inventions - would be better for people like me (for example, Bob, a modeller who makes models for kids’ use, CAN update the models but NOT publish them until the ban is over)
Here’s an equation (t represents days since invention was last updated, d represents invention ban duration, this is all measured in days)
If t>14
Then:
d=3
Else:
d=(14-t)+3
Thanks for reading this request (I’m not angry at moderation, I should’ve seen it coming and should’ve deleted the invention from a month ago)
-Sunburn Gaming
When it says the Room will be “Closed Down,” is it another way of saying deleting it or is it temporal? If it’s the latter, how long does one wait?
What will I do if the one of the Subrooms of said game had the Violating Invention, but I can’t Remove it because the room got taken down? In other words; the room which got taken down by AIRS has the CCoC Violating Invention, but I can’t remove it
A few of my rooms i worked vary hard got deleted for useing an Ai template i made because for some reason the invention i made was super bad and they deleted it. The moderation is hot garbage
Bro, I feel like now im going to make an invention, and its going to think its some thing else. when I co own rooms, and they dont put auto save on for other people (because im the trusted one) they accidentally put it on for me and I have to tell them to take it off, and the thing is, i have to make the invention, and the save it, and sometimes i publish it. I am going to be making a sci fi hotel, pvp, and space flight simulator, and I dont want the AI to think my space ship is something inappropriate. ← (you know what I mean)
You’re sharing an invention so people can use it not to just put it behind a paywall. You can just search for an alternative or import the song yourself!
Got the rooms deleted because of a mod menu i put in them mostly for moderation purposes it only had a few somewhat bad features like a thing that could cripple your rec room and force you to restart your game it was mostly for trolling hackers. Rec room decided a moderation tool was too bad to be allowed nice job rec room.
You said to me that this is targeting the worst of the worst content.
However, I have just logged into rec room after a 2 week holiday to find a violation on my account. My puss in boots costume has been taken down by your AIRS system, which featured in an old folklore contest map! A fluffy cat wearing boots is not obscene, and puss in boots as a story is in the public domain. It does not violate rec rooms code of conduct at all and yet again I have been hit by your automated moderation system.
Rec room took down my room because of an invention in A SINGLE SUBROOM OUTSIDE THE MAP that I didn’t even know was inappropriate
How fun having to start all over with a room I took months to make myself without RRS
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